The two-party duopoly insists that politics is a zero-sum game. So if you don’t believe there’s evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, you must support Trump. This, of course, makes no sense. Yet it’s our reality.
The two-party duopoly insists that politics is a zero-sum game. So if you don’t believe there’s evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, you must support Trump. This, of course, makes no sense. Yet it’s our reality.
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If I admit that I abhor both, Ted, will I be subject to prosecution for interfering – or, as the current term seems to be, «meddling» – in the internal affairs of the United States of America ?…
Henri
Talking about «meddling», I’m not sure that all readers here are aware of one prime example – nearly a century old – of the US «meddling» in a very concrete manner in the affairs of another country….
Henri
Henri! Why stop at one? Not enough pixels to catalog the entire list?
«Not enough pixels to catalog the entire list?» As you know, Alex, it’s a loooong list…. 😉
Henri
What if it was possible to love Trump and Putin at the same time? Imagine, an American-Russian alliance!
But no, let’s keep controversy alive until the midterms.
The ultimate cause of the obsessive hatred of Rootin’ Tootin’ Putin has been nicely summarized:
“After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Wall Street rushed in behind Boris Yeltsin and Russian oligarchs to asset strip virtually the entire country, impoverishing the population. Amid widespread accounts of this grotesque corruption, Washington intervened in Russian politics to help get Yeltsin re-elected in 1996. The political rise of Vladimir Putin after Yeltsin resigned on New Year’s Eve 1999 reversed this course, restoring Russian sovereignty over its economy and politics” by Joe Luria at consortiumnews.com
So Putin’s primary pecadillo is the same as so many others who, and whose countries, the US has turned into war fodder for such exhibiting unmitigated impunity: he thinks his country can have its OWN, legitmate interests supported by its OWN, exclusive use of its MASSIVE (in the case of Russia) resources.
(Note: Russia ranks 8th globally in proven crude oil reserves and 1st in proven natural gas reserves. This according to, of all sources … the CIA world fact book. It is apparent that we can trust the CIA at least on its assessment of the resources of other countries!!!)
Two questions:
1. Can I get a precis of the argument against Trump/Russia collusion? I don’t trust the Fox News version of events and I can’t stomach the David Muir speaking in headlinese version of current journalism. I’m still six or seven media outrages behind. (And it’s simply exhausting trying to keep up with all the articles explaining how the wheels are coming off the Oval Office. The media’s been posting them since the first week of the Trump Presidency.)
2. Why are none of the media discussing how, if the election interference is true, it’s exactly what the CIA did in the 1950s. And 1960s. And 1970s. And 1980s. …
> Can I get a precis of the argument against Trump/Russia collusion?
“Hillary” – at least that’s the only answer I’ve gotten in the last two years of asking.
> Why are none of the media discussing how
‘cuz we’re special(?) Absolutely it’s hypocritical to complain about something we do all the time.
Then again, that “we” does not include “me” – I’m against any country meddling in any other’s affairs.
Alex, in my judgement, Consortiumnews is a reliable source, which certainly cannot be charged with working either for Mr Trump or Gospodin Putin. Here an article on the «collusion» meme, by the new editor-in-chief, Joe Lauria, who took over after the late Robert Parry’s untimely death, which you might find worth reading….
Henri
Thanks Henri.
To Alex,
Ultimately, if anything were to come of “the investigation,” Mueller et al. must show a crime has been committed. Only then must the accused submit a precise of defense. One wonders why the DNC both wants us to love the intel community that man of us have spent many decades learning why it must be suspected and reviled AND, as a kind of political wild card, ALSO jettison from our political culture the central notion of a suspect’s innocence until proven guilty.
But to continue, note:
1. US courts just threw out DNC case against Russia, the GOP and Wikipedia.
2. DNC has never allowed the intelligence agencies, which it says WE must trust, to examine their allegedly hacked servers (the focal point of the ensuing hysteria.)
3. Who, really, thinks Rootin’ Tootin’ Putin will extradite the 12 recently-indicted “high-ranking Russian intelligence officers each of whom suck Pootin’ wankie … twice a day”?
4. THE crime has already been admitted by the CEO of Cambridge Analytica, a UK company, including payment by the, then, Herr Hair campaign. Apparently corporations based in the territory of “good allies” are allowed to meddle in US elections. Of course, one should check the rating of the UK in terms of proven oil and gas reserves, as below in the CIA world fact book.
The two-party duopoly insists that politics is a zero-sum game. So if you believe there’s evidence that Trump colluded with Russia in 2016, you must support Hillary. This, of course, makes no sense. Yet it’s Ted’s reality.