DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “France in Chaos”

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Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou start your week with a federally-driven crisis in Portland, where 300 California National Guard troops were federalized over that state’s governor’s objections, and were due to be sent to Oregon because Oregon’s governor refuses mobilization. Oregon Governor Tina Kotek complains about “breathtaking abuse,” saying there is no insurrection or national security threat. But a federal judge has blocked the invasion of Portland…for now.

As predicted on DeProgram, militant moderate Sébastian Lecornu is out as French prime minister after 26 days. President Emmanuel Macron has three options now. He can appoint another prime minister. He can once again dissolve the National Assembly and call for new elections that either the far Right or the far Left would win. Or he can resign himself.

Financial expert Aquilles Larrea joins to discuss the effect of the government shutdown on working Americans.

A shocking development in the Middle East, where Trump’s Gaza deal is being shoved down Netanyahu’s throat—and Bibi says he likes it, at least according to Trump. Israel will be forced into phased withdrawals and Gaza City bombings will stop at once in exchange for the remaining hostages. Hamas hasn’t agreed to disarm or give up control, but Trump tells Jake Tapper they face “complete obliteration” if they refuse. Is he referring to a nuclear option?

In the Pacific, Fiji confronts a “national crisis” with HIV cases exploding 11x to 5,900 in a decade, fueled by meth-fueled “bluetoothing” blood-sharing and needle shortages amid conservative rule. Assistant Health Minister Penioni Ravunawa warns of 3,000+ new infections by year’s end, with 41 pediatric cases under 15 last year and experts fearing an “avalanche” from underreporting and resource gaps, as UNAIDS urges stigma-free testing.

Finally, a wild situation roils the Philippines as a disinformation storm rages, with Duterte loyalists spreading rumors of fake CIA-backed coup plots and military defections on social media to distract from corruption scandals, eroding trust in Marcos’s regime.

DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Trump’s Forever War”

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Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou dissects the Trump administration’s dramatic, legally unfounded escalation against drug cartels, declaring a formal armed conflict in order to unlock powers for indefinite detentions and lethal strikes—challenging international law amid last month’s Caribbean boat attacks that claimed 17 Venezuelans.

  • Trump’s War on Cartels: The administration notifies Congress that it is formally designating cartels as “terrorist nonstate armed groups,” framing boat strikes as lawful warfare under international law. This determination allows the president to kill enemy fighters. Retired judge advocate Geoffrey S. Corn condemns this as an abuse of the law, arguing that drug smuggling are not armed attacks.
  • Government Shutdown and Cuts: Trump meets budget director Russell Vought to slash “Democrat Agencies” amid the shutdown, freezing funds for Democratic-leaning states and accelerating 300,000 federal worker layoffs by year’s end. Inspired by Project 2025, this inflicts partisan pain, with unions suing but courts allowing firings to proceed. Senator Patty Murray blasts treating workers as pawns, warning it deepens the $1.7 trillion funding freeze halting research and data reports.
  • Tennessee Executions: The Supreme Court schedules dates for four inmates, including Christa Pike, the state’s sole woman on death row for her 1995 torture slaying of fellow student Colleen Slemmer. Pike’s team appeals for commutation citing her abusive childhood, undiagnosed bipolar and PTSD at age 18. This follows a lethal injection scandal revealing untested drugs in prior executions.
  • Madagascar Protests: President Andry Rajoelina fires his cabinet to try to quell youth-led street protests in Antananarivo over crippling water cuts and power outages hindering studies and meals, yet demands for his resignation surge. Gen Z Madagascar mobilizes strikes using global youth symbols, amid clashes killing at least 22 per U.N. reports, exacerbated by poverty and Trump’s new tariffs.
  • Hamas Eyes Gaza Deal: Hamas prepares its demands for revisions to Trump’s 20-point plan. Facing a three-to-four-day deadline or “pay in hell” threats, leaders in Istanbul, Doha, and Gaza navigate divisions. Analysts frame it as choosing between bad and worse.

Israel Is Finished

Dying regimes do funny things.

Dying superpowers plan for a future that never comes. I have a 1992 Soviet ruble note, redesigned the year before. Considering that the USSR closed shop in 1991, they probably should have focused on something more pressing than their next Five Year Plan.

Dying dictatorships bluff and bluster. Despite the obvious facts, Gaddafi claimed to control Libyan cities his forces had fled. “Victory will be ours soon,” Saddam assured Iraqis as U.S. forces closed in on Baghdad. “We are firm as a monkey’s tail,” ‘Baby Doc’ Duvalier bragged as he boarded a plane fleeing Haiti.

Dying genocidal regimes ramp up the killing. Driven by a combination of ideological fanaticism and a desperate attempt to erase evidence of industrialized mass murder, Nazi Germany intensified the pace of killings at death camps in the final months of World War II, particularly in 1944 and early 1945, as the government faced impending defeat. With the Allies advancing, the Nazis intensified the “Final Solution,” determined to exterminate as many Jews and other victims as possible before losing control of the camps. The Khmer Rouge, facing imminent invasion and overthrow by Vietnam, accelerated the Cambodian genocide at the end. The 1994 Rwandan genocide, targeting Tutsis and moderate Hutus, was executed with extreme speed and intensity from the outset and remained relentless until the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) began liberating areas. However, in its final weeks before their defeat, the perpetrators intensified localized massacres to maximize deaths.

Now Israel is dying. As horrific as the genocide in Gaza has been, there’s a danger that a desperate Benjamin Netanyahu and his far-right allies will kill Palestinians faster—and that they might even carry out Israel’s long-threatened “Samson option,” using its illicit nuclear arsenal as massive retaliation against its Arab neighbors if the Jewish state faces existential destruction.

Like Idi Amin, who assured his remaining staff that he was “still going strong” shortly before left Uganda for exile, Israel is ranting that it’s winning on all fronts. Ignoring the fact that he was speaking to a mostly-empty UN meeting hall, Bibi bombastically declared victory against his Middle East neighbors. His government, still backed by Donald Trump and few others of note—even in the U.S., most Americans say Israel is dead to them—is flogging a take-it-or-leave-it demand for Hamas to unconditionally surrender, lay down its weapons, and agree that Palestine will never be free or sovereign. Perhaps, the Israelis hope, no one will notice that they have already been destroyed.

The visuals make it appear as though has won Israel, and won big. Gaza has been flattened; tens of thousands of Gazans have been murdered. 60% of the West Bank has been stolen by 700,000 violent Jewish colonists; 850 IDF checkpoints have reduced the other 40% to an open-air concentration camp. But the visuals aren’t determinative.

What has decided this final iteration of the Israel-Palestinian conflict is international public opinion, a commodity upon which Israel is uniquely dependent. Israel was created by the United Nations. It is the biggest recipient of military funding from the U.S., including advanced technology and defense systems which constitute a significant portion of Israel’s defense budget. The U.S. routinely vetoes attempts to hold Israel accountable in the Security Council. The U.S. is Israel’s biggest trading partner. Israel relies on access to U.S. markets for exports like technology and pharmaceuticals.

Israel, more reliant on international goodwill than another nation, has become a pariah state. U.N. agencies call the Gaza war a genocide. Amnesty International and the U.N. classify Israel as an apartheid state. Arrest warrants have been issued for and sanctions issued against Israeli leaders. Major cultural and sports institutions are boycotting Israel. The E.U. labels goods and services produced by West Bank settlers so consumers can avoid them, and is moving toward cutting off trade. Israeli tourists are harassed when they travel abroad.

Had Israeli political leaders been open to good-faith negotiations with the Palestinians, had they halted their genocide a year ago, they might have been able to save themselves. They doubled down with cruelty and arrogance. So everyone hates them. Sooner rather than later, Israel will find itself as isolated as apartheid-era South Africa, or more so.

No business will want to work for or with Israeli companies. No nation will want to maintain diplomatic ties. No one will want to visit. Cut off from international markets, Israel will first collapse economically, then politically. Let’s hope the Israelis eschew the Samson option and go out as peacefully as the USSR, close up shop, and join the 21st century as a democratic country with equal rights for all.

Despite the carnage—because of the carnage—there is now a better-than-even chance that we will see a Palestinian state within the next decade. The world demands it. Here in America, the imminent landslide victory of Zohran Mamdani, a fierce critic of Israel, as mayor of New York—with the second-largest population of Jews outside Israel—shows that it’s become politically safer to oppose than to support Israel. Soon, possibly in 2028, U.S. voters will elect a president who insists upon it too. Israel as a vestigial post-colonial Jewish ethnostate is on the way out.

Hamas won.

Hamas knows it won.

Everyone knows, including the Israelis. “Israel is in a sort of isolation,” Netanyahu acknowledged at a conference of the Israeli Finance Ministry in Jerusalem. “We will increasingly need to adapt to an economy with autarkic characteristics.” Autarky, an economic policy of complete self-sufficiency, was attempted primarily by other politically-extreme regimes the world wanted nothing to do with: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, North Korea, Albania under Enver Hoxha, and Kampuchea under Pol Pot. Autarky has always failed. Self-sufficiency does especially poorly for countries like Israel, which has few natural resources. No wonder the Tel Aviv stock exchange crashed after Bibi’s speech.

The Israel Business Forum, which comprises the CEOs of 200 top Israeli companies, published a statement in response: “The policy of the government headed by Benjamin Netanyahu is leading the State of Israel to a dangerous and unprecedented economic and diplomatic nadir. We are not Sparta…Prime minister, we are marching with certainty to a diplomatic, economic, and social abyss that will endanger our existence in the Land of Israel.”

I collect political propaganda posters. One of the last missives that the retreating Nazis posted on the walls of French villages in 1944 was a warning: We’re leaving for now, the Nazi authorities advised, but we’ll be back. And when we return, we will execute Frenchmen who disobeyed German law in our absence. Watching Netanyahu and Trump bloviate about their ersatz “peace deal” the other day, I remembered: dying regimes do funny things.

(Ted Rall, the political cartoonist, columnist and graphic novelist, is the author of “Never Mind the Democrats. Here’s What’s Left.” Subscribe: tedrall.Substack.com. He is co-host of the podcast “DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou.”)

DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “30% of Americans Are Pro-Violence”

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Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou cut through the bias, deprogramming you from corporate media narratives.

  • Government Shutdown Escalates: Congress adjourns without resolving the funding deadlock. The White House ratchets up the pressure by freezing $26 billion in funds for Democratic-leaning states, while Trump’s budget chief warns of imminent mass layoffs. Democratic leaders, including Hakeem Jeffries, stand firm, demand Obamacare subsidies restored. This impasse will last.
  • Political Violence: An NPR/PBS News/Marist poll shows that 30% of Americans view violence as potentially necessary to fix the country, up 11 points since April 2024 and driven by Democrats jumping from 12% to 28%. Republicans edge higher at 31%, up 3 points, and independents rising to 25%, following last month’s assassination of Charlie Kirk. 77% say political violence a major worry.
  • SCOTUS Backs the Fed: Justices reject Trump’s immediate removal of Federal Reserve Board member Lisa Cook. This decision averts economic turmoil, preserving Fed autonomy. The ruling signals limits on presidential power, as the court gears up for broader challenges to Trump’s tariffs and FTC firings.
  • Why Women Live Longer: Researchers publish the largest analysis across 1,000+ mammal and bird species, bolstering evidence that women’s dual X chromosomes buffer harmful mutations, explaining persistent female longevity. In mammals, females outlive males globally; in birds, ZZ males endure longer under reversed systems, supporting the heterogametic sex vulnerability hypothesis. Evolutionary demographers hail the findings as remarkable, saying genetic redundancy is a core protector.

DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Afghanistan and US Both Shut Down”

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Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou bring you the lowdown on everything that’s happening around the world. At a new time for the month of October, back to normal after.

  • General Anxiety: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth razzes America’s generals and admirals, announcing 10 directives attempting to reorder military culture around fitness, race, and gender. He calls the military the “woke department,” and threatens to fire progressive-leaning generals for valuing diversity over strength. Hegseth warns that those who disagree should quit, signaling a ruthless purge.
  • Trump Declares War on US Cities: The President Trump urges officers to use U.S. cities like Chicago as “training grounds.” He defends blowing up Venezuelan boats without cause and violently endorses “they spit, we hit” if/when soldiers get insulted, telling ICE agents to “do whatever the hell you want” against American protesters.
  • Deportations Violate First Amendment: U.S. District Judge William Young rules that the Trump administration’s deportation of pro-Palestinian students and professors deliberately strikes fear into non-citizen students, chilling campus protests unconstitutionally. In a blistering 161-page opinion he condemns Trump’s “hollow bragging” and censorship of free speech as a profound threat. Young even questions if divided Americans will defend the constitution before personal interests ignite violent resistance.
  • Ambassador Kills Self: Paris prosecutors say that South Africa’s ambassador to France, Nkosinathi Emmanuel Mthethwa, leapt from his 22nd-floor Hyatt Regency room. A security guard discovers his body in the hotel courtyard, with no signs of struggle, drugs, or third-party foul play.
  • Afghanistan’s Blackout: Entering its third day, the Taliban’s total Internet cuts off the country from the outside world. The shutdown severs digital and phone links, grounding Kabul flights, shuttering businesses, and halting visa services. NetBlocks reports near-total blackout and fiber-optic bans under strict Islamic law, paralyzing banking, hospitals, education, and emergency responses amid ongoing earthquake recovery. Isolating women further by severing digital lifelines, the outage—possibly tied to paranoia over U.S. Bagram base demands—fuels frustration and speculation over motives.

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DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “Israel: Losing, Yet Demanding Surrender”

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Investigators comb through the charred remnants of a Michigan church, White House unveils President Trump’s bizarre 21-point blueprint for halting the Gaza War, Trump racing the midnight funding cliff, Eric Adams bows out his quixotic reelection campaign, a torrent of pressure on Republican Curtis Sliwa to abandon ship.

  • Michigan Church Attack: Investigators sift through fiery debris at the Grand Blanc Township Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, uncovering improvised explosive devices amid the wreckage from Thomas Jacob Sanford’s assault, which killed four people and wounded eight. The 40-year-old ex-Marine was killed in a police shootout after ramming his flag-festooned pickup into the building and unleashing gunfire during worship. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt reveals the assailant’s apparent Mormon hatred, with probes intensifying into premeditation, notes, and his Iraq vehicle recovery scars from IEDs and enemy fire.
  • An Odd Gaza Peace Plan: The White House drops Trump’s 21-point plan for Gaza, which seems to miss that Israel has become an international pariah state in no position to make demands. The plan would mandate immediate hostage releases within 72 hours and Israeli withdrawal to pre-agreed lines acceptance. The blueprint promises Gaza’s redevelopment for residents, amnesty for disarming Hamas fighters, and safe exodus for others. Netanyahu warns that will Israel “finish the job” if refused.
  • Government Shutdown: Trump convenes congressional leaders in a frantic White House attempt to dodge Wednesday’s shutdown, clashing over a stopgap bill funding through November 21 that sidesteps Democrats’ health benefit extensions while Republicans try to decouple issues. Senate Leader John Thune eyes Tuesday’s revote needing seven Democratic crossovers, as failure looms to furlough federal workers, halt courts, delay small-business grants, and disrupt parks from NASA to Yosemite.
  • NYC Mayoral Race: Eric Adams terminates his reelection campaign, thrusting Andrew Cuomo into a tighter showdown with leading Zohran Mamdani as operatives besiege Republican Curtis Sliwa via social media. Billionaire Bill Ackman and PLACE NYC cofounder Chien Kwok implore Sliwa to exit, to forge a unified Cuomo front against Mamdani. A Siena poll pegs Mamdani at 48% to Cuomo’s 44% in a head-to-head, narrowing from double-digits.

DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou: “The Last Radical: Assata Shakur”

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Political cartoonist Ted Rall and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou cover the startling spectacle of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s addressing a mostly-empty UN, the shocking indictment of former FBI Director James Comey, Russia’s military aid to China and its link to Taiwan, the Manhattan mass shooting linked to C.T.E., and the death of Black revolutionary Assata Shakur in Cuba.

  • A Pariah Addresses the UN: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivers a tone-deaf, combative speech at the UN, rejecting Palestinian statehood as “national suicide.” Speaking to a near-empty hall, Israel’s growing diplomatic isolation as nations like Britain and France recognize Palestine is no longer a threat but a fact.
  • Comey Indictment: An inexperienced Trump-appointed prosecutor, Lindsey Halligan, files charges against former FBI Director James Comey for false statements and obstruction. The indictment, driven by Trump’s orders, sparks fears of politically motivated prosecutions. Why him and not fellow Russia-hoax liar Brennan?
  • Russia-China Military Cooperation: Russia agrees to train a Chinese airborne battalion and share airdrop expertise, potentially assisting China’s capacity to seize Taiwan.
  • Manhattan Shooting and C.T.E.: Shane Tamura, a former football player with C.T.E., killed four in a Manhattan office targeting the NFL, blaming it for hiding the disease’s dangers. The medical examiner confirms low-stage C.T.E. in his brain. Should football be banned?
  • Assata Shakur: Black revolutionary Assata Shakur, a fugitive since her 1979 prison escape, dies in Havana at 78. Supporters praise her fight against oppression and critics condemn her as a cop killer. One thing is for sure: she is one of a dying breed of Leftist radicals.

The History of Presidential Grift

Everyone knows that Donald Trump is the Grifter-in-Chief. Earlier this month, the president and his family raked in approximately $5 billion from meme coins, stablecoins and tokens. His businesses skimmed about $2.5 billion in profits from politically-connected real estate deals during his first term. People eager to suck up to the leader of the free world are paying tens of millions to join Mar-a-Lago and stay at his hotels. Trump’s shares in his social-media outfit Truth Social are worth $2 billion—value that would instantly go poof were he no longer president. And there’s still time for him to partner with Israel to develop post-genocide Gaza.

As with his tariffs, deportations and suppression of dissent, it’s important to point out that, while Trump’s unseemly pigging out at the capitalist trough is rightfully shocking, it is not new. Many of his predecessors paved the corruption-paved road on which Trump is profiteering, but very little was done to stop it from happening again. Here we are again and, because we’re unlikely to enact meaningful reforms now, here we will be again.

Harry Truman struggled financially after he left the White House. He had no significant personal wealth, and ex-presidents didn’t get pensions. His primary income was his Army pension of about $113 per month. Famously refusing lucrative board positions and endorsement deals—”I could never lend myself to any transaction, however respectable, that would commercialize on the prestige and dignity of the office of the presidency,” he said in 1953—he moved back to Independence, Missouri, and relied on income from his memoirs (which are pretty good) and a few speaking engagements. Partly inspired by Truman’s situation, Congress passed a 1958 law providing a pension to former presidents.

Despite his pension, Jimmy Carter was close to broke when he returned to Plains, Georgia. His peanut farm, which he placed in a blind trust during his term, had been poorly managed; drought and a drop in the market made things worse. The farm, a family business he had inherited, was sinking under $1 million in debt (equivalent to about $3.5 million today). He was forced to sell. A prolific author who lived frugally, he ultimately recovered and prospered.

LBJ inaugurated the modern era of the presidential grift. Beginning in Congress and throughout his presidency, his backroom magic ensured a “twenty-year-long string of strikingly favorable rulings by the Federal Communications Commission” for his wife Lady Bird’s Texas media company that grew her $17,500 investment in 1943 to over $20 million at the time of his death in 1973.

Nixon and subsequent presidents through George H.W. Bush milked their post-presidential prestige via the books-and-speeches formula.

Throughout his second term, Bill Clinton laid the groundwork for next-level presidential grift, inviting nearly a thousand donors and potential donors to his then-planned Clinton Foundation to crash in the White House’s Lincoln bedroom. Pledges in the form of barely-disguised kickbacks came from executives at companies like Coca-Cola and Boeing, which cashed in from NAFTA and other Clinton-era trade deals. The gravy train began rolling in earnest after 2001, when he amped up the cut-and-paste speech grift (over $100 million in the next 20 years), shook down book publishers for over-the-top advances ($15 million for the crappy My Life), and turned the foundation into a personal piggy bank that covered private-jet trips for Bill worth millions and employed staff who also served the Clintons personally or politically. Bill scored $18 million as an “honorary chancellor” for Laureate International Universities, a Trump University-like for-profit education company that donated to the foundation, in an obvious quid pro quo. And don’t get me started on the Clintons’ rape of Haiti.

Barack Obama has mimicked and improved upon the Clinton model: pricey speeches, huge book advances, a foundation that doesn’t seem to accomplish much in terms of charity but helps fund his lavish lifestyle. He’s also got a Hollywood production company that mostly relies on his political influence as a Democratic éminence grise.

Dick Cheney was both the real president and the chief grifter of the Bush Administration. He quit Halliburton, where he was Chairman and CEO to become vice president—but the oilfield and engineering giant’s money didn’t quit him. Not only did he collect $2 million in deferred compensation during his eight years in Washington, Bush-Cheney steered $40 billion in no-bid contracts for the Iraq War (which he convinced Bush to start) to Halliburton, pumping up his personal wealth—largely in Halliburton stock—to nearly $100 million.

As I said at the beginning, however, none of this is new. Trump’s favorite president, Andrew Jackson, profited from land speculation tied to the Indian Removal Act of 1830, under which Native American tribes were forcibly expelled from their ancestral lands in the southeast. A land speculator and parceler, Jackson leveraged his political power and military experience to buy Native lands cheaply, expel the Natives, and sell the more valuable plots, now free of threats from indigenous people, to cotton plantation owners, pocketing millions. In fairness to Andy, our ethical standards over emoluments and conflicts of interest were not a factor in 19th century politics.

As a young man, George Washington surveyed frontier lands, particularly in the Shenandoah Valley. Surveyors often received land grants or first pick of prime parcels, which Washington leveraged to acquire thousands of acres. By his 20s, he owned over 20,000 acres, a foundation of his wealth. By the time he became president, Washington’s land holdings (over 60,000 acres across Virginia, Maryland, and what is now West Virginia) and his marriage to a wealthy widow made him one of the richest men in America. His frontier land appreciated even more due to his own policies promoting Westward expansion, which meant the genocide of Native Americans.

When it comes to self-dealing, Donald Trump is as true-blue American as presidents come.

(Ted Rall, the political cartoonist, columnist and graphic novelist, is the author of “Never Mind the Democrats. Here’s What’s Left.” Subscribe: tedrall.Substack.com. He is co-host of the podcast “DeProgram with Ted Rall and John Kiriakou.”)

TMI Show Ep 232: “Killer Squirrel Terrorizes Bay Area”

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Hosts Ted Rall and Manila Chan bring you a bizarre and alarming story gripping San Rafael, California. A rogue squirrel terrorizes residents, sending at least two to the emergency room with vicious bites and scratches. Joan Heblack recounts a vicious attack, describing the ferocious rodent clamping onto her leg, its tail thrashing wildly, not unlike a domestic terrorist. Isabel Campoy shares a similar ordeal, the animal launching at her face, leaving her arm as bloodied as a Christian martyr of yore. Flyers now warn Bay Area’s of this “very mean squirrel” attacking over five people, striking without the customary warning. Marin Humane’s Lisa Bloch notes no recent reports, but that’s merely a sign that it’s about to plan an even more brutal assault. Feeding wildlife likely fuels this aggression, so stop feeding animals—including cats and dogs and babies. The good news? Squirrels don’t carry rabies—not yet, anyway. 

Plus: 

  • Microsoft stops services to Israel’s Ministry of Defense: After reports of AI-driven Palestinian tracking by the genocidal apartheid state, prompting employee protests and ethical concerns, Amazon cuts loose the Netanyahu regime. But Unit 8200 may shift to Amazon Web Services. 
  • A Secret FBI report: There were 274 armed agents at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, with agents slamming leadership for political bias and poor planning. What does it all mean?

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